She was being paid as a journalist to cover him objectively. She should have quit her job and service him. I think you are missing the point. But you probably know that.
It's amazing and nauseating to watch all these utterly mediocre sell-out journalists try to distance themselves now from Olivia Nuzzi. Every one of you who gets a check from legacy media, who believes that Trump is responsible for the lies you wrote during the last ten years, who believed you were doing good by hiding Biden's dementia, by promoting Covid myths. You should be apologizing to the people you knowingly mislead instead of putting yourselves up as morally superior to Olivia Nuzzi. I laughed reading every review of her book today. “Oh, no, not me — I'm a good journalist.” The only good journalists are the ones who had the guts to walk away. And stop lying.
That’s a load of crap. The reason why this is scandalous is because no credible journalist would ever do what Nuzzi did. There’s always going to be the odd corrupted person in any field, but to make it sound like this is the norm says more about where you get your information and conspiracy theories from than how mainstream media gets its information. P.s. Trump is the most prolific liar of any US politician in history. You should follow Daniel Dale. He does an objectively good job of fact-checking Trump’s appearances and events. The volume of lies is more than one person could possibly handle, but he takes an impressive stab at it.
You had me doing a Danny Thomas while drinking my coffee, Canadiana. The idea of magazine and newspaper journalism today being a noble calling is hilarious. But I guess there's a sucker born every minute,
Well there you have it, the receipts, as they say. I also watched Olivia's interview last time with Tim from the Bullwark. It was interesting, however not very revealing. I definitely have learned more from your writing Ryan. I hope that your series concludes soon so you can get back to all the other amazing reporting that you do 😊
As a Gen X former journalist, I was raised in the biz just as the old school journalistic ethics were beginning to give way to the wild west of digital. As such I find all of this disturbing. My only "elite" perch was at NPR in the late 90s to early aughts, so I'm certain Lizza will dismiss my point of view. I otherwise wrote, edited and reported for news orgs that no longer exist.
I say this with a giant and sincere serving of empathy for the author (and his tortured subject). I, too, have fucked up in life and at work; I'm no puritanical purist. But it all comes across as painful retribution for a terrible betrayal of Lizza. Airing Nuzzi's dirty laundry just feels ick and a bit self-serving.
Her obsession with RFK, Jr. feels like a joint coke addiction. Sniff, sniff, sniff and it never lasts that long. I'm not sure anything is solved by the author's revelations here, except to raise both of their public profiles. I suppose it all fits well in this current Gilded Age of extremes we're living through.
This series presents a more realistic view of RFK jr, making his current power even more alarming. I would prefer to know about it than have it buried.
First of all it’s hard to get past the fact Nuzzi was obsessed with this highly unappealing man. Her advice says nothing about his voice but the fact is listening to RFK speak is torture for the listener. Looking at his face, which she finds appealing for God knows what reason, is also a turn-off. RFK was always a Biden spoiler. He wanted him to loose even though he had also later approached Kamala for a job if he threw support her way. Her camp wisely ignored him. He also appeared to want to embarrass and F his family over. Obviously Nuzzi’s advice and interference didnt work unless she had no problem with RFK helping Trump win. Nuzzi is a very sick person who has no journalistic scruples. RFK is sick too and thanks to Nuzzi’s obsession with this destructive man he is now in a position to destroy our health care system and cause death to those stupid enough to listen to his misguided vaccine advice. I hold her responsible in part and have come to believe she needs to be drummed out of the world of journalism permanently.
Some people are saying that because you didn't come forward with this info during the campaign, you are also guilty of journalistic malpractice. Can you talk about your reasoning for not passing this along to another journo to investigate?
It's excellent advice. My memory is that this came out *after* the profile of him that she published?
Waiting RFK Jr. to be president shows really bad judgement, but it isn't off brand--Nuzzi was also a disruptor, in her case of political journalism. Might I also say however, that advising presidential candidates you are covering is not unprecedented. Theodore White did it while writing his "Making of the President" series, and was never slagged for it.
It’s all so sordid… I am starting to think she had visions of being his FLOTUS when she got him elected….eeeeeewwww.
I am so sick of all these games people play… can we just stop rewarding bad behavior?
Loving the chapo pod on this https://youtu.be/J7-6T6zLFVE
I mean, minus the weird sycophantic shit scattered throughout it, it's solid advice.
Yes, it is solid advice. So what if no respectable news organization will ever hire her now? She'll do great as a political consultant! 😆
She was being paid as a journalist to cover him objectively. She should have quit her job and service him. I think you are missing the point. But you probably know that.
😂
It's amazing and nauseating to watch all these utterly mediocre sell-out journalists try to distance themselves now from Olivia Nuzzi. Every one of you who gets a check from legacy media, who believes that Trump is responsible for the lies you wrote during the last ten years, who believed you were doing good by hiding Biden's dementia, by promoting Covid myths. You should be apologizing to the people you knowingly mislead instead of putting yourselves up as morally superior to Olivia Nuzzi. I laughed reading every review of her book today. “Oh, no, not me — I'm a good journalist.” The only good journalists are the ones who had the guts to walk away. And stop lying.
That’s a load of crap. The reason why this is scandalous is because no credible journalist would ever do what Nuzzi did. There’s always going to be the odd corrupted person in any field, but to make it sound like this is the norm says more about where you get your information and conspiracy theories from than how mainstream media gets its information. P.s. Trump is the most prolific liar of any US politician in history. You should follow Daniel Dale. He does an objectively good job of fact-checking Trump’s appearances and events. The volume of lies is more than one person could possibly handle, but he takes an impressive stab at it.
You had me doing a Danny Thomas while drinking my coffee, Canadiana. The idea of magazine and newspaper journalism today being a noble calling is hilarious. But I guess there's a sucker born every minute,
for real, plenty of suckers.
like the ones who use terms like "covid myths."
Oh, and good for you, standing up for all those poor pharmaceutical companoes!
Irish, as your national poet laureate wrote “I could have been someone. Well, so could anyone.”
Well there you have it, the receipts, as they say. I also watched Olivia's interview last time with Tim from the Bullwark. It was interesting, however not very revealing. I definitely have learned more from your writing Ryan. I hope that your series concludes soon so you can get back to all the other amazing reporting that you do 😊
The Talented Ms. Nuzzi by Jessica Reed Kraus
https://youtu.be/inFMHQo2jzw giving this a reread
The bad news is that I paid $9.99 to get down in this muck and only have myself to blame. The good news is that it’s now cancelled, effective December 22. Like Colby Hall, “I subscribed and read every word, and felt worse for having done it.” This column reinforces my “everyone’s an a—hole here” conclusion. https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/ryan-lizza-and-olivia-nuzzi-deserved-each-other-and-both-damaged-journalism/
Agree agree.
As a Gen X former journalist, I was raised in the biz just as the old school journalistic ethics were beginning to give way to the wild west of digital. As such I find all of this disturbing. My only "elite" perch was at NPR in the late 90s to early aughts, so I'm certain Lizza will dismiss my point of view. I otherwise wrote, edited and reported for news orgs that no longer exist.
I say this with a giant and sincere serving of empathy for the author (and his tortured subject). I, too, have fucked up in life and at work; I'm no puritanical purist. But it all comes across as painful retribution for a terrible betrayal of Lizza. Airing Nuzzi's dirty laundry just feels ick and a bit self-serving.
Her obsession with RFK, Jr. feels like a joint coke addiction. Sniff, sniff, sniff and it never lasts that long. I'm not sure anything is solved by the author's revelations here, except to raise both of their public profiles. I suppose it all fits well in this current Gilded Age of extremes we're living through.
The piece from Hall brilliantly articulates what’s been nagging me about this whole thing. Thanks for sharing it!
This series presents a more realistic view of RFK jr, making his current power even more alarming. I would prefer to know about it than have it buried.
Nuzzi on bulwark discuss killing trees to print book https://youtu.be/Qo0-6dSWElQ
First of all it’s hard to get past the fact Nuzzi was obsessed with this highly unappealing man. Her advice says nothing about his voice but the fact is listening to RFK speak is torture for the listener. Looking at his face, which she finds appealing for God knows what reason, is also a turn-off. RFK was always a Biden spoiler. He wanted him to loose even though he had also later approached Kamala for a job if he threw support her way. Her camp wisely ignored him. He also appeared to want to embarrass and F his family over. Obviously Nuzzi’s advice and interference didnt work unless she had no problem with RFK helping Trump win. Nuzzi is a very sick person who has no journalistic scruples. RFK is sick too and thanks to Nuzzi’s obsession with this destructive man he is now in a position to destroy our health care system and cause death to those stupid enough to listen to his misguided vaccine advice. I hold her responsible in part and have come to believe she needs to be drummed out of the world of journalism permanently.
How’d you get this memo, did she share it with you?
Some people are saying that because you didn't come forward with this info during the campaign, you are also guilty of journalistic malpractice. Can you talk about your reasoning for not passing this along to another journo to investigate?
It's excellent advice. My memory is that this came out *after* the profile of him that she published?
Waiting RFK Jr. to be president shows really bad judgement, but it isn't off brand--Nuzzi was also a disruptor, in her case of political journalism. Might I also say however, that advising presidential candidates you are covering is not unprecedented. Theodore White did it while writing his "Making of the President" series, and was never slagged for it.
I don't think Theodore White was an advisor to Kennedy. Maybe you're thinking of Lee White?
Has Vanity Fair fired her yet?